{"id":2893,"date":"2011-02-05T23:53:56","date_gmt":"2011-02-05T23:53:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/meeseeks:5080\/blog\/?p=2893"},"modified":"2024-10-30T06:05:40","modified_gmt":"2024-10-30T06:05:40","slug":"honeywell-international-inter-varsity-debating-festival-1978","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/2011\/02\/honeywell-international-inter-varsity-debating-festival-1978\/","title":{"rendered":"Honeywell International Inter-varsity Debating Festival 1978"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On 17 July 1978, the ABC TV current affairs programme, <em>Monday Conference<\/em>, held a Parliamentary Debate at Sydney University with participants from the Honeywell International Inter-varsity Debating Festival, then being held in Sydney: universities represented included Auckland, Cambridge, Canterbury (NZ), Columbia, Glasgow, Harvard, Nairobi, Oregon, Oxford and eight Australian universities.&nbsp; Particularly memorable performances were given by Nicholas O&#8217;Shaughnessy (age 26) from Oxford and David Pash (age 19) from Harvard.&nbsp; Pash, speaking of O&#8217;Shaughnessy&#8217;s speeches, remarked:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>They fall into three categories:&nbsp; the witty, the stirring, and the vast majority.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pash also said:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Where there&#8217;s smoke there&#8217;s fire. Or, in Latin, <em>Nil combustio sic profumo.<\/em>&#8220;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pash is now an attorney in LA, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.busman.qmul.ac.uk\/staff\/oshaughnessyn.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">O&#8217;Shaughnessy<\/a> Professor of Communication at Queen Mary, University of London.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.3wan.net\/3wan.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Ewan Sutherland<\/a>, a participant from Glasgow and now a telecommunications consultant, has a short report of the Debating Festival <a href=\"http:\/\/www.3wan.net\/wdf_1978.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>.<br \/>\nFollowing the Festival, the student newspaper of the Australian National University (ANU), Canberra, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.woroni.com.au\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Woroni,<\/em><\/a> reported on a visit to ANU by the Oxford University Union Debating Team (issue of 1 August 1978). &nbsp; This report (with obvious typing errors corrected, one ellipsis added, and one misplaced line &#8211; shown by [ ] &#8211; re-inserted appropriately) is here:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Complete with jokes generously supplied by the FitWilliam [sic] Museum of Antiquities in Cambridge, the&nbsp; Oxford University Union Debating Team visited Canberra for four days at the beginning of second semester.&nbsp; The team was in Australia along with teams from Cambridge, Glasgow, Harvard, Columbia, Oregon, Auckland, Canterbury and several Australian universities including ANU for the first Honeywell International Inter-varsity Debating Festival in Sydney.<br \/>\nDespite the fact that all four members of the team are part of Margaret Thatcher&#8217;s shock troops (she was described by one of them as Attila the Hen), they were almost human.&nbsp; Nicholas O&#8217;Shaughnessy wants to be Viceroy of India and developed an accent to match.&nbsp; John Harrison . . . found solace in the company of Greg Carman.&nbsp; Marie-Louise Rossi replaced at 4 hours notice a past president of the Oxford Union, Vivienne Dinham.&nbsp; Mark Sterling, in between drams, managed to defeat the cream sherry of ANU Law School mooting talent, Tom Faunce and Lee Aitken.<br \/>\nThere were two debates in Canberra.&nbsp; The first, on 19th July, was against ANU, ably represented by Andrew Byrnes, Steve Bartos and Vivienne Bath.&nbsp; The subject was &#8216;<em>That Only God can Save the Queen<\/em>&#8216;, which Oxford negated.&nbsp; By any standards it was a good piece of comedy, though not perhaps describable as a debate.&nbsp; Oxford were rather the worse for wear, having staggered off a plane from North Queensland just 1.5 hours before the debate began.<br \/>\nOn 20th July there was a highly successful debate in the Albert Hall against a team from parliament.&nbsp;&nbsp; It proved very difficult to get any MPs at all.&nbsp; Most of the&nbsp; ALP were overseas on their compulsory annual junkets.&nbsp; Many Liberals were [&nbsp; ] discreetly elsewhere on the date of the debate.&nbsp; No member of the National Party could be found who could string more than about three words together before collapsing in exhaustion.&nbsp; In the end we found Michael Baume, Jim Carlton and Michael Hodgman, who turned on a very entertaining performance.&nbsp; They admirably proved that talent is in inverse proportion to one&#8217;s chances of becoming a minister.<br \/>\nOn July 21 the Law School staged a moot and lost.&nbsp; Oxford left for Melbourne on July 22, having only managed [to see Canberra&nbsp; in the wet.&nbsp; Every time] that a trip was planned, the heavens opened.<br \/>\nOn a marginally more serious&nbsp; note, the success of the Oxford visit has prompted the Union to try and re-establish Union Night Debates on a regular weekly basis.&nbsp; These debates are an established and popular feature of many English and Australian universities, and were common here until a few years ago.&nbsp; If anyone wants to help on the Union Debates Committee, go and talk to someone in the Union Office.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The article was accompanied by a photo of the 19 July debate participants, showing seated (left-to-right) under a portrait of the Queen and a British and an Australian flag: John Harrison, <a href=\"https:\/\/worsfoldmedia.co.uk\/2014\/10\/29\/marie-louise-rossi-an-appreciation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Marie-Louise Rossi<\/a> (1956-2014), <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nicholas_O%27Shaughnessy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Nicholas O&#8217;Shaughnessy<\/a>, Greg Carman (MC), Vivienne Bath, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eidos.org.au\/v2\/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=119%3Aprofessor-stephen-bartos&amp;catid=8&amp;Itemid=124\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Steven Bartos<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.law.unsw.edu.au\/staff\/byrnesa\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Andrew Byrnes<\/a>. I attended the debate on 19 July 1978.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On 17 July 1978, the ABC TV current affairs programme, Monday Conference, held a Parliamentary Debate at Sydney University with participants from the Honeywell International Inter-varsity Debating Festival, then being held in Sydney: universities represented included Auckland, Cambridge, Canterbury (NZ), Columbia, Glasgow, Harvard, Nairobi, Oregon, Oxford and eight Australian universities.&nbsp; Particularly memorable performances were given [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[73],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2893","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-rhetoric","p1","y2011","m02","d05","h23"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2893","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2893"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2893\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13341,"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2893\/revisions\/13341"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2893"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2893"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vukutu.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2893"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}